i feel like the idea of some kind of ""ideological purity (no fash vibes at all btw yeah mhm)"" just makes things worse a lot of the times
like, all these suckless guys being like "foss!! unix philosophy!! everything else is impure and must be destroyed!!!"
most of that kind of software is basically unusable unless you're some ablebodied white guy with a fuckton of free time
who cares about the """ideological purity""" just do whatever works best
like, the amount of people ive encountered who saw me posting a screenshot, noticed that I use gnome and were like "smh imagine actually using gnome. i only use THE IDEAL PURE SUCKLESS SOFTWARE. wow smh smh imagine actually using something with accessible and something that's comfortable for you to use"
or the amount of people who saw me editing something in vscodium and instantly went "BUT VIM"
it works for you? that's cool
but dont pretend that all software must be pure or smth
i hate how it's a common thing for people in communities related to programming or any kind of niche software to be all condescending and smug and shitty about software choices
like, i get it, you want to feel superior and special because your software is more obscure and less accessible. you're basically reinventing black metal but for software
i would Never judge anyone for using all that minimalist ideologically pure software if these people weren't so shitty about it in first place
your philosophy is cool and all but don't pretend that it's PURE PERFECT IDEAL FLAWLESS software and even more, stop thinking that everyone else wants to, or can use it
some software works better for you, other software might work better for me, and no matter how perfect and pure your software is, don't be an ass about people who use something else
and to clarify further, I'm not even saying that it's some problem with foss or the unix philosophy in particular, but rather, an unfortunately large amount of users surrounding it
this is a common thing with proprietary software too, and even hardware
the biggest example is probably even "haha lmao look at that loser using an android. imagine not using the OBJECTIVELY PERFECT APPLE IPHONE"
i mean, there are cases where it's valid to complain about bloat
but if they consider accessibility and Actually Working Software bloat, then yeah
@AgathaSorceress @Dee Yeah, bloat in the sense that we're wasting a ton of energy and quality just to let developers have it easier with no benefit to the users is relevant imo. My personal algorithm is:
see the word "purity"
run, disappear, hit the road
because that mindset wil likely overlap other "purities". I was surprised when I, fairly recently admittedly, found out that suckless people were nazi fash, but I shouldn't have been. (I never interacted with their developers or forums etc. tho, that's probably why.)
@AgathaSorceress i fuckin hate iphone supremacy
especially because there are so many budget android phones
it's classist as fuck
@tindall yeah i just experienced a lot of that last month and it's so annoying
the amount of rich elitists being condescending about the tiny extremely specific differences between the chorus in a behringer synth and a juno chorus and acting like it's the worst thing ever, while it sounds basically the same
I wish people could just.. not be elitist about things
@AgathaSorceress It's the casual disdain from the Apple crowd that makes them insufferable. I was listening to one podcast recently and one of the hosts just tossed off, "We all know Windows and Android users don't care about good software design..."
And yes, I stopped listening to that podcast after that remark.
@AgathaSorceress someone on here posted about treating personal tech as an extension of the body, in terms of boundaries and respect. I don't know how well it stands up philosophically, but I think it's a good heuristic in terms of when it's OK to suggest or criticise.
@AgathaSorceress I wish this kind of contempt culture died out in the 2000s. It is a absolute worse.
@AgathaSorceress yea i fuckin adore vim but i am not here to shame ppl for finding something else works better for them
but also fuck suckless. garbage people
@00dani yeah, in fact, i *do* use vim, but whenever i don't, there's always someone who is so excited to point out how trash and bloated my text editor is
suckless just feels like the "my software is pure and it's the only acceptable software" idea taken to the extreme, which unsurprisingly works nicely with their fash ideas
@AgathaSorceress yea i'm using phpstorm right now because it's the best tool for the job for me, despite being a Trash Bloated ide or whatever
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