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i dont like when people say "police being bad is a US issue"
police is bad everywhere. there are no good cops

its also almost always followed by "omg look at this wholesome 100 police officer in finland joining a street band after receiving a noise complaint" "omg look at this wholesome 100 police officer in norway helping a grandma cross the street"

they're still very much cops

re: pol 

okay i just saw the post that people were referencing earlier today

holy shit okay
i will clarify: there are no good cops. acab means acab. not even your friendly uncle. not even the cops trying to change the system from inside. not a single cop is a good cop as long as they remain being a cop. not one. not in any country.

re: pol 

nobody is born a cop. every cop voluntarily became a cop. don't even try the "oh but what if nobody else wants to hire them" excuse, there's like 100 other jobs that are available if you can be hired as a cop. not a single cop is a good cop, no, not even in norway or germany or whichever country you idolize

re: pol 

@AgathaSorceress or japan, even if they might seem softer than the rest due to media, still don't trust em

re: pol 

@deejvalen @AgathaSorceress japan is a far-right country, anyone saying it's better is either referring to something very specific (like the transit system) or has been caught by its propaganda (probably via anime)

re: pol 

@deejvalen @AgathaSorceress I like Japan, I've visited numerous times and I enjoyed it. But it's a xenophobic country with a lot of social problems and you cannot simply ignore that.

Westeners too easily fall into the trap of having an anime-like depiction of the country, when they would never think a sitcom in their own country is an accurate depiction of daily life there.

re: pol 

@AgathaSorceress some examples to support that claim:

* It was often cops who either attacked or killed workers on strike
* Cops protect property rights, not human rights/civil rights
* Cops don't properly investigate misbehaving colleagues
* Cops are often corrupt
* Cops don't deescalate violent situations
* Cops haven't been this militarized in all known history
* Cops serve the state, not the population/civilians

re: pol 

@zephyrvs @AgathaSorceress yeah except that's the case in the USA, and it's not even nearly as bad here in Austria. You can generally count on our cops being helpful and deescalating. They do serve the state, but over here the state serves the people (mostly)

re: pol 

@Riedler @AgathaSorceress yeah, the US is pretty high on the shit list but Austria still has a problem with police violence and racism: derstandard.at/story/200013058

Dutch and German cops can be kind and helpful as well, but if shit hits the fan their loyalties will be with the state, no matter what. If police opted to stick to the citizenry/people we wouldn't be seeing the kind of coups and police violence we see.

re: pol 

@zephyrvs @AgathaSorceress racism in the executive exists because people in general are shitty, here as everywhere else.

Not every cop would support an authoritarian state, I imagine that a lot would quit their job (if the state lets them)

In conclusion, no, our cops aren't perfect. But that's due to individuals and not the concept of cops. The same people would do the same things if they weren't cops, except without repercussions because there's no cops.

re: pol 

@zephyrvs DerStandard ist meiner Meinung nach 眉brigens keine vertrauensw眉rdige Quelle mehr. So wie die meisten anderen Zeitungen leider auch鈥

re: pol 

@Riedler @AgathaSorceress I'm not arguing against some kind of authority, just to make that clear. I'm just convinced that violence should always be the very last option and that current "one size fits all/generalist training" implantations of police don't allow for sufficient specialization for each option that must come before violence.

Yes, there are various kinds of police but they're on demand and often not part of a first response call.

re: pol 

@zephyrvs @AgathaSorceress I'm absolutely with you on that. I think the Austrian police force is doing pretty okay in that regard, but it could be better, by any means.

re: pol 

@AgathaSorceress "great uncle Walfrid wasn't a bad guy, he was trying to reform the Waffen SS from within!"

re: pol 

@AgathaSorceress
So let's just get rid of all cops and go back to anarchy?

pol 

@AgathaSorceress yeah it's a few subreddits innit? Same thoughts
The other day I saw copaganda and people called it out and I was like "okay this is good".
The other day things that you mention and people be like "only US cops are bad" and I'm like "wat, did you ever interacted with any cop outside the US"

pol 

@AgathaSorceress reminds me of a friend of mine who got kicked out of his band and was replaced by a cop. A f*ing cop!!!! He never got over it.

Cops are bad and even cops doing something presumably good (joining a band) can do severe damage.

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