It's 2019 and Pleroma still doesn't have:
— a public about page;
— easily avalaible contact information.
There is a reason why harassers and racist edgelords love this software you know?
Sorry, but it's a real pain in the ass to manage any content coming from a Pleroma instance. Every time I'm tempted to just block the entire thing.
I forgot how sensitive are Pleroma's users every time we remind them that it's the software of choice for shitty people and that it's interface is a dumpster fire.
When I joined Mastodon in 2017, everybody knew that most GNU Social instances where the home of far right activists, racist users, transphobic people and the like. That didn't mean the software wasn't great (I love GNU Social). But it had a lot of qualities that attracted them: it was lacking moderation tools, etc.
Today Pleroma is in the same spot. Unlike Mastodon, it is lightweight, there is no easy to discover rules or contact infos, it was lacking moderation tools for a long time, etc.
It's no wonder that most of the people who were using GNU Social in 2017 jumped to Pleroma when the software became good and mature enough. In some case, entire instances made the change and switched software (just look at eldritch's cafe blocklist if you want to see which ones).
Pleroma is basically 2019's GNU Social.
And for people telling me "Don't be mean with Pleroma :(.", I just complained that its interface was lacking public information and you came to me saying everything was fine. Sorry, it's been a year since I wanted to make this thread and I just had enough.
"But Mastodon…", "How about Mastodon…", "But Mastodon…"
What about Mastodon? Yeah I know it does a lot of think wrong and that its development is garbage nowadays. I complained about it enough, here, on Github, on Discord and on the fucking Mastodon forum. Here I'm talking about Pleroma.
Pleroma: "If people want to know who runs an instance, they should just check /api/v1/instance, it's easy and obvious."
Also Pleroma: "Can't put… an hyperlink… to the rules… on the front page… ggggggnnnnh, too technically difficult."
People: *complains about some aspects of Pleroma*
Pleroma devs: 💤
People: *complains louder*
Pleroma devs: "Wow. You are making hyperboles. It's bad."
Truly, "Everything is fine, there is contact info in the outbound HTTP headers." is not a take I expected to read when I logged in here today.
Multiple people have told me that Pleroma has indeed a page to publish things like rules and contact info. It's in /about. My mistake then! Pleroma has quite literally an about page now.
I would like to point out, however, there is no clear way (yet ?) to know it exists.
So, if like me, you have to moderate content from an unknown Pleroma instance and you are looking for their rules and who are their admin, know that:
— rules are on /about;
— contact info is on /api/v1/instance.
People saying I know nothing about Pleroma, you realize I'm also a Pleroma user, right?
@lanodan how can I know that? Where are the links?
@lanodan I know that. How many people (including moderators) even know what an API is?
1. It's not my service, it some else's.
2. You can't expect any admin to know how every software that uses ActivityPub works, let allow every moderator do that.
3. You know there is moderators who are not technically savy right? It's kinda the point.
4. There is only an e-mail available in most /api/v1/instance of Pleroma's instance. An actual Fediverse account would be nice too.
@Sylvhem (also the main dev is an harasser...)
@mewmew I was thinking about kaniini not lain I don't know that person sorry
@Sylvhem pleroma UI is shit, and it's not about technical but care of users.
@Sylvhem You don't get it, if you don't know the internals of whatever software you're using, you shouldn't be using it! It's that simple!
@aearil @Eramdam @Sylvhem I found a fresh issue here : https://git.pleroma.social/pleroma/pleroma-fe/issues/699 so it will be done.
@Mikoto Someone pointed that out to me earlier but thank you! I will know it for the next time I will need.
Finally, I would suggest that you avoid discord as it is a non-free centralised service that engages in censorship, is actively against end to end encryption and end to end authentication, makes it difficult for people with disabilities to use it, and makes it difficult for people without very strong computers to use it (due to its use of electron and the fact that they are against 3rd party clients).
Just want to echo all of this :D
@Mikoto I NEVER said Pleroma's devs were Nazis. This post was not about them, it was about the fact there were no clear contact information.
And I thought about contributing to Pleroma, by reporting bugs or doing translation for example. But given my bad experience with Mastodon on the subject, I'm not really willing to try frankly.
@Mikoto I know but thanks for telling me.
Une instance se voulant accueillante pour les personnes queers, féministes et anarchistes ainsi que pour leurs sympathisant·e·s. Nous sommes principalement francophones, mais vous êtes les bienvenu·e·s quelle que soit votre langue.
A welcoming instance for queer, feminist and anarchist people as well as their sympathizers. We are mainly French-speaking people, but you are welcome whatever your language might be.