Please, if you have a bot, make it post in unlisted rather than in public. There is so many bots posting in public now that the federated timeline is becoming unusable.
I don’t usually ask that, but can you boost this to spread awareness?
@Sylvhem Just to be sure, as my mind reads it with an unsure tone.
And also sorry for the inconvenience.
@ljwrites @Jakobiner @Sylvhem I think it depends on the software. Pleroma is definitely in general more fond of showing replies than Mastodon is. So, while I haven't seen replies on Federated here all that often, it's pretty likely that's different there. And while Mastodon is the cool kid in town, that doesn't mean we shouldn't at least sometimes try to adapt to our Pleromite pals. :)
@Jakobiner @Sylvhem @ljwrites Yeah. In general Mastodon hides most replies. Even in the Home TL, it only showes replies if you follow both the person that is replying and the person they're replying to. And there are no replies at all on Local.
Until you pointed it out, I never thought about it as weird at all. If anything, it's one of the reasons I prefer Masto.
Anyway, I went ahead and sent my default posting privacy to Unlisted. I reply far more often than I post original toots, so I'll need to remember to switch it up far less often this way.
@Jakobiner This brings up a number of additional questions and issues.
I default all my toots to "unlisted" (a partial compromise to my CW aversion). Scope may be individually toggled broader or narrower.
Hashtags aren't searchable unless toots are public. I find this a misfeature, but will toggle scope to global when including hashtags meant to be searched.
People will occasionally toot personal matters followers-only. Given my followers list all but certainly doesn't match theirs, any reply other than a DM strikes me as ill-advised. (Stepping in on such discusions should usually be with extreme sensitivity regardless.)
Thread scopes generally should be no broader than the parent or any subsequent upstream toot. Note that the "public" vs. "unlisted" distinction isn't one of scope, strictly, but of amplification. And searchability.
"Followers only" especially seems ill-advised. Unless a profile is locked, this is not directly controlled by author, different users' scopes effectively never intersect, and determining just what scope is is effectively impossible.
The design and consequences strike me as a bit of a mess.
And as noted earlier, the Federated stream usually has limited utility.
@Jakobiner On scope; A response to a followers-only post should inherit the original author's followers specification, Not your own, as its widest possible scope.
A DM would be acceptable but not required.
From the perspective of respondants to Followers Only threads, the scope should not be their own followers.
The problem with FO as it now stands, to my understanding, is that any discussion becomes fragmented through the intersection of dissimmilar followers scopes of respondents. To the extent profiles are named, content quoted, or context leaked, the intent of the original author is not respected.
@Sylvhem Additionally: Please, if you have a bot, just ... please move it to botsin.space.
Because there is no "Hide posts from bots" button. And I try to mute them as I go, and share my list of muted bots with others sometimes, but gah, there's just SO MANY! With botsin.space, at least I can hide the entire instance and get some peace.
And most importantly: Ask yourself if the Fedi needs your bot at all. No offense, but most likely, it does not. No, not even news bots. That's not what people come to the Fedi for.
@Sylvhem I have myself a bot and declared as such (in account parameters) : by default, all posts are unlisted. I was considering this as a feature of Mastodon but after all it's probably played at the instance level 🤔
@Sylvhem Agreed. This would solve a problem that I currently solve by muting the overwhelming majority of bots. I don't want to have to do that but they just flood the timeline.
@Sylvhem I doubt any number of bots turning their posts to unlisted will make the federated timeline actually usable, but I've double checked all of my bots and two of them weren't posting unlisted before, which is now fixed.
@warriorstar @Sylvhem Yeah, but that's the thing ... it doesn't work either. There's just so many bots elsewhere. There's tons on societal.co, for example, to the point where I'm unsure if I should just block the entire damn instance, even though that would punish several innocent users. I probably won't do that, but damn is it annoying.
@Sylvhem Also consider reporting such bots suggesting they be silenced by the local mod (effectively making all that bots public posts unlisted on the local instance),
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