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“Cryptocurrency is literally like an eight-year-old’s concept of an evil businessman. He just plugs his pollution machine in and gets money for it. It doesn’t make anything, it just. Pollutes. And makes money. Like a fucking Captain Planet villain”

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@Sylvhem Et les cryptos-fans font une belle armée de minions décérébrés :/

Un de mes échecs : expliquer à un pote que non, les cyptomonnaies n'étaient pas une solution à quoi que ce soit.

Face au mantra "oui mais c'est de l'argent créé sans dépendre d'un banque centrale c'est génial" en boucle comme seule réponse à tout ce que je pouvais avancer, j'ai fini par baisser les bras :/

(c'est pas sympa de qualifier un pote de minion décérébré, mais là, pour le coup ...)

@lilov nan, mais en fait c'est un bon exemple : la vraie solution ici, ça serait de ne pas avoir besoin de se cacher pour acheter librement de l'acide, pas de devoir utiliser une cryptomonnaie pour le faire anonymement ^^

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@riff @Sylvhem
Oui carrément mais du coup ça faisait un usage intéressant qui revient pas à l'accumulation pour l'accumulation (on pourrait imaginer un fonctionnement comme les monnaies locales qui sont devaluées pour circuler)

@lilov Effectivement.
Mais pour le coup ça implique un contrôle du cours, et globalement un contrôle pour éviter un usage spéculatif, et j'ai l'impression que pas mal de gens côté cryptomonnaies sont plus branché "libertay pour ma thune"

(cf le "oui mais c'est sans contrôle d'une banque centrale". Pour moi en axant leur discours sur ça ils refusent certes le controle de l'état, mais au final toute forme de contrôle collectif. Des libertariens, quoi :/)

@Sylvhem

@riff @Sylvhem C'est les mêmes qui pensaient mettre à genoux Wall Street en achetant des actions GameStop

@Sylvhem Un peu trop caricatural, même si c'est vrai que c'est qu'en-même en très grande partie quelque chose d'ultracapitaliste et que c'est problématique par rapport aux problèmes d'énergie et de ressources. Et aussi, oui, c'est en train de déclencher des crises (montée des prix des GPUs, mais ça risque d'arriver aussi avec les CPUs et le stockage plus tardivement).
Même si j'essaye d'assurer ma survie avec ça, je préfère ne pas nier ces réalités.

@Sylvhem Reading the replies on hellbird site makes want to rip out my computer and smash it...

@rune
I just read the replies and they got replied by people with more common sense.
@Sylvhem

@Sylvhem
As far as understood the situation (and my Maths ain't great), it's the standard proof-of-work which is the problem.

If proof-of-steak works out, non-evil cryptos may be possible.

#notallshitcoins

@malin @Sylvhem Proof-of-stake is part of it. But also... like... you need to have a purpose.

The purpose of BTC is to become rich and be unstoppable by government. If you turned it off tomorrow, rich people lose money and no one else cares.

So they also need to find an actual need to fill beyond their own existence.

@Magess @Sylvhem my need was transferring £100 from a friend.

Bank accounts take over an hour to set up, plus travel time, then £15 fee for international transfer, and three days.

Bitcoin took 20 minutes to set up and 10 minutes to transfer with 30p transfer fee.

The saving was about two hours work, three days waiting, and £14.70, plus the value of anonymity.

@Sylvhem
:D well put, but I wouldnt say 'literally'.
As a present reality, I'd agree, for yet it only substitutes banks for shady businesses and has no working alternative to stupid mining. But I wouldnt dismiss it as a concept - the problems it tries to address obviously have weight, so it is not nothing.

@rysiek People looooooove this FUD because it suits their liberal ideology. It reads like the Twitter imp is sooooo smart... But it's just another variation on the same talking points we've been supplied thru psychological warfare.

And it is completely ignorant of how money is made already: an arbitrary process exclusive to the hyper-elite who are more than likely party to genocide and murder thru economic and financial warfare. Dollar supremacy is white supremacy.

@Sylvhem

politics 

@theruran
What do you mean by "liberal agenda"? At least where I live, addressing climate change is in almost every parties election program.
I think one can like cryptocurrencies and still acknowledge, that proof-of-work is probably not the best idea.

politics 

@TsRoe @theruran I think it is really difficult to at the same time be a leftie, and promote cryptocurrencies.

I also think one can acknowledge that central banks are a problem, without promoting uber-libertarian technosolutionism in the form of techbro currencies.

@theruran
Thanks, HRRN. Saved us some time. Bitcoin is literally how good people fight back but there are drones out there that continue the same tired, debunked tropes.

Thanks
@rysiek @Sylvhem

@theruran @Sylvhem you off-handedly dismiss important environmental concerns (see: fortune.com/2021/04/20/bitcoin ), in return offering no more than name-calling ("FUD", "psychological warfare").

You attribute ignorance while at the same time reducing the complex global financial system to "dollar supremacy".

If you ever decide to actually have a meaningful conversation about any of this, here's an interesting piece of data about wealth inequality in cryptocurrencies:
blog.dshr.org/2018/10/gini-coe

@Sylvhem How is empowering everyone with the same complete monetary freedom previously enjoyed by only the financial elite "nothing"? One might see that as good or bad, but "nothing"?

@mike Neat. Still doesn’t make anything though.

@Sylvhem Neither does money? Like, isn't that what you have a problem with, ultimately? Money?
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