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Non-sex workers have such a strange hangup around sex work, it's kinda weird and creepy and stop throwing your ideals and hangups onto other people and their professions.

Not all sex workers hate their jobs. Not all sex workers need to be rescued. Conflating all of this denies sex workers their bodily autonomy.

I'm annoyed because I saw somebody comment on Indya Moore's insta post about how "shouldn't sex be based on mutual attraction???? I don't believe sex workers like their jobs and you should only work in doing what you love"

And truly Carol, shut the fuck up. Nobody asked you.

The whole point of Indya Moore's post is that sex workers belong at Pride. Stonewall was led by black and brown trans sex 👏 workers 👏.

People shouldn't sell their bodies!!!!

Okay tell that to athletes, ballerinas, and construction workers to start. *blinks*

@guerrillarain attempted criticisms of sex work accidentally criticizing the conditions of all labor under capitalism = 😽👌

@guerrillarain @mxsparks I haven't heard from literally every sex worker, but from the ones I have, I'd say there's pretty good odds they enjoy their job more than most people.

@pillowcat @guerrillarain @mxsparks @RebelleCunt does great work and writing on this, mostly on birdland, but has also started the Heaux History Project. Good place for the centering of sex workers, esp the most marginalized ones always left out. 🤙🏾​

@mxsparks @guerrillarain

that's right, I only make websites for people whose lives I truly believe in and I definitely do not take money for it.

also I subsist on air and sunlight

oops sorry I'm a tree

@mxsparks @guerrillarain I've def seen people say "well I don't disapprove, but what about all the risks of injury, harm, etc." and then I'm just like .... Walmart? Construction?

@guerrillarain I think it's a bit different. Nobody pays more for the most inexperienced athlete, ballerina or construction worker. This seems like a significant difference to me, that the youngest and least experienced worker is the most valuable.

@JordiGH @guerrillarain

I don't think that's necessarily always true for sex work. I think it's a matter of client preference.

(IOW: are you telling on yourself here?)

@JordiGH fair enough! For a lot of kinds of sex work, though, experience can be key.

Or you could compare it to athletes in sports where 30 is considered old, versus sports where it isn't.

@nein09 I don't know, I still think it's different for athletes. No athlete can compete without training, even if they have to retire young (and it's actually quite tragic how olympic medalists often have nothing to look forward to after winning).

I don't think athletes are ever lead to athleticism via deception either. Maybe? Was an athlete ever told they were actually applying for a waitressing or secretarial job only to turn into an intense training without informed consent?

@nein09 I also think there's a wide difference between the dynamics of sex work in poorer countries vs rich countries.

@JordiGH ok, so now you're talking about sex trafficking- let's make sure we make that distinction.

Or we could compare sex work to domestic work instead, which has a lot more in common from this angle, and I think does a better job of addressing the power dynamics you talk about in your next reply.

@nein09 So my overall point is, I think all of these analogies to other kinds of jobs are imperfect and we shouldn't rely too much on these analogies to decide what the laws should be. Sex work presents unique problems and situations that seem to not happen or at least not be as prevalent for other kinds of occupations. Reasoning by analogy can lead to the wrong conclusions.

@JordiGH

OK, but we also treat it as unique in ways that it shouldn't be treated, because we have ideas about sex that we don't have about other things that people do.

And trafficking is trafficking, no matter how its victims end up working, whether they're forced into sex work or domestic work or whatever else someone is made to do.

And when sex workers *themselves* agitate for legal changes or against FOSTA/SESTA, we ought to listen, you know?

@nein09 Yeah, I haven't heard anything good about FOSTA/SESTA, that seems like a clear mistake.

@JordiGH It seems like your gripe is with exploitation and not sex work. Which is fair. Sex workers should be able to unionize.

@guerrillarain or virtually any other hourly labour. For salaried stuff, you could argue you're selling your mind, but that's a pretty meaningless distinction.

@guerrillarain There's so much wrong with this I don't even know where to start.

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A welcoming instance for queer, feminist and anarchist people as well as their sympathizers. We are mainly French-speaking people, but you are welcome whatever your language might be.