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Imma say it one last time for the folks in the back:

It isn't "blacks." Do not say "blacks." It's racist. It's antiblack as fuck and it is a giant red flag. We are a people. We are human beings.

Black *people*. Black *person*.

If I see it, you will be blocked on sight and I will suggest others do the same.

@guerrillarain Damn. I'm pretty sure I fucked that up yesterday. Sorry.

I'll watch out for it.

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@guerrillarain So true! I see news articles using that phrasing all the time, and you can tell they think it's okay bc they're also saying "whites". Like uhm no, those words have not been used in the same ways. Talk about white people however you want, we've never been oppressed with those words. We gotta be aware of the words we're using folks!

@guerrillarain ok so i'm walking a thin line here, about... whitesplaining? some terminology but i hope it works because i come from a different cultural background: language and context differs, so i hope we all take the effort to be slightly charitable to non-USA people.

For example, when i first heard PoC heard as a term i thought it was racist as fuck; i've known people from south africa and here in the netherlands and calling someone anything remotely close to "coloured person" is a huge red flag, but in the US it's one of the more preferred terms. (bc instead of using it as it is in the US, as a uniting term for non-white oppressed people, it's used as an oppressing term from white people)

here the translation for 'blacks' has the same connotation though... i guess what i'm trying to say is i agree 100% but with an international audience a bit of charity might go a long way.

ofc let me know if i ever fuck anything like this up.

@joop @guerrillarain this remark about PoC is on spot, people here don't always believe me that PoC is the way to say it in English, they feel it's the same as "colored". We need to do some work and develop/share vocabulary that is respectful.

@charlag @joop @guerrillarain

So what is the difference?

Person of colour vs coloured person.

@MutualityWSDEs you should ask internet about this but briefly: one was coined by white people and one wasn't

@charlag
I don't like either.

It doesn't seem to be very original coinage and probably serves to avoid scrutiny of and confrontation with Whiteness.

Looking at Wikipedia, it appears to be another attempt at reclamation of an oppressive term.

Ultimately, if it involves further racialisation, it's literally a dead-end.

@MutualityWSDEs mmm yeah I would let non-white people decide that, thanks

@charlag @MutualityWSDEs I found this useful many years ago when I first found it. Hopefully it has aged reasonably well.

ardhra.dreamwidth.org/25918.ht

@joop @guerrillarain There is a *huge* difference between "c* people" and "People of Color". I guess it is because the latter is a self-definition, not a label from someone else.
Pro-Tipp: Ask people (any persons, really) how they would like to be called and stick to it. It is that easy.

@carl @joop @guerrillarain

And I think, don't give them an argument and 'walk a thin line of whitesplaining' when they inform you, after first asking for their charity.

@carl @guerrillarain
ofc! i guess i posted this because things get lost in translation (sometimes literally); as you point out "coloured people" and "people of colour" has vastly different connotations (in US english, no idea how that works in other regional english settings), whereas here either translation would be eyebrow raising (except for with the racist family members ofc). And i hope that i don't fuck it up. and sometimes the subtle differences in language, how racism or white supremacy manifest in different settings, etc, should be made very explicit (at least in an internationalist setting)

@carl @joop @guerrillarain

I agree that is important to let people self define.

I don't know the origins of the term 'Person of colour' but it obviously gets used to label people that do not necessarily self define that way.

@MutualityWSDEs @joop @guerrillarain People of Color and Person of Color are self-definitions.

@MutualityWSDEs @joop @guerrillarain The point is, that it is not a label used by others but a self-given name.

@carl @joop @guerrillarain

Are you saying that if you see a brown-coloured stranger in the street and you refer to them as a person of colour, then that is that individual's self-definition and self-given name?

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